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welcome to shattered reality with your

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hosts Kate Valentine and faroush prepare

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to have a paradigm shifted in your

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truths questioned and now shadow reality

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hey Kate well it's another another

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another bulkier another another session

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how are you doing for I'm doing

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pretty well and I'm enjoying this

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to do right away is slate and say that

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here we are and it is a September 27th

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now we have a fabulous guest and I'm

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going to tell you why he's fabulous

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before I actually introduced him the

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reason why he's going to be extremely

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interesting is that there is no one who

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can fail to be interested by this

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subject this is a subject that affects

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each and every one of us it doesn't only

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affect people who have dreams or people

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who are psychic

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or people who want to do remote viewing

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this subject affects each and every one

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of us our guest today is mr. Robert

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Hastings he has a book called UFOs and

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nooks extraordinary encounters at

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nuclear weapons sites and now he has a

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brand new movie called UFOs and nukes

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the secret link revealed this is a new

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documentary film by Robert Hastings and

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it is extremely well documented with US

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Air Force FBI and CIA files that have

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been Declassified now Robert Hastings

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has degrees in photography and material

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science he was born at Sandia base in

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Albuquerque New Mexico in 1950 and he

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actually lived at Malstrom Air Force

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Base in Montana his father was a career

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military officer so Kate let's welcome

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Robert Hastings Robert great to talk to

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you again and I think tonight you

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forever nods it's a pleasure I think one

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of the most important things that Russia

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said was that the film is indeed a

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documentary this is not fiction this is

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not made-up what you have just gone to

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extreme lengths to document and and to

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prove your case in this one which is

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indeed incursions of UFOs over a nuclear

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basis not just in this country but in

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other countries as well my father as you

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mentioned was that Nam Sturm Air Force

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Base in 1966-67 he was a Senior Master

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Sergeant but not an officer but indeed

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that was the genesis of my interest in

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the subject of UFOs and nuke long story

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short he worked in large windowless

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concrete structure called the sage

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building which had military radar

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operations and in March of 67 he was

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aware from scuttlebutt around the sage

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building that unknown aerial objects

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were being tracked on multiple radars at

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space most alarmingly these objects were

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flying near the nuclear missile sites

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and he was only indirectly involved but

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there were enough rumors floating around

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that he knew that much at the same time

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I was a junior in high school but I

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worked as a janitor three nights a week

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just pushed a broom empty trash cans and

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months I made the acquaintance of an FAA

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controller actually a supervisor named

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Bob Grasser and he was quite generous

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with his time when he was in the break

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room explaining to me how radar work and

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determine mid to late March of 67 I

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walked into rapcon radar approaching

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control where he worked at the top of

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the tower and was going to empty trash

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cans and move on

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and he just nonchalantly as I recall

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motioned me over go scope and said we're

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tracking five and he either used the

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term unknowns which is the proper term

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radar term or he may have actually said

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UFOs and I knew what he was talking

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about and that was why I got interested

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in this topic

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I went home very excited told my father

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that the towers tracking UFOs and

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unbeknownst to me he made some inquiries

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around the stage building and found out

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that indeed the military radar personnel

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were tracking them too and I was a

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teenager I couldn't really do much with

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that information but when I graduated

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from college in 1972 and did a year's

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worth of graduate work around that time

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frame I became aware of published

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references the late dr. J Allen Hynek

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who was the Bluebook know a blue book

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scientific adviser Project Blue Book II

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made mention of UFO activity in your

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nuclear missile sites in North Dakota

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Ray Fowler who is a well known UFO

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researcher wrote a book in 1974 called

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UFOs interplanetary visitors in which he

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said that his liaison personnel at

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Malmstrom he was in the Minuteman

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program for Sylvania Corporation but his

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contacts at the base were confirming

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that UFOs were hovering over the

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missiles

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that point I went wow this is real this

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is important you know we need to get

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these veterans on the record and so I

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began seeking out persons who were

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involved in these incidents not only at

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Malmstrom but elsewhere involving UFO

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incursions at nuclear missile sites I

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now have over 150 services ranging from

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the rank of colonel down to airman

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persons who were where the UFOs hovered

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over missile sites over bombs storage

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depots at nuclear missile test sites

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just the whole spectrum of UFO

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incursions at nuclear weapons sites and

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by 1981 I felt you know I don't know why

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I'm so driven to do this but I quit a

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good-paying job and I went out on the

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college lecture circuit to try to Queen

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Americans with the reality of the

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situation and that was 30-some years ago

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I've spoken at over 500 colleges and

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universities I am finding a bit of a

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very receptive audience not only in this

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country but now that the internet is in

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existence I have contacts worldwide

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people are very obviously interested in

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the subject yes and and I can absolutely

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see why and Kate and I certainly

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understand why you're doing what you're

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doing because here we are making a

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podcast the totally non-commercial

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podcast totally free access for which we

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get paid absolutely nothing and we

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continue to do it because these are

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subjects this subject and allied

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subjects are things that we think people

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need to pay more attention to in the

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world and they're not paying enough

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attention to but to get back to you and

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the first of the first example that I

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think you talk about is the Roswell

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connection and how this was a dawn of a

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different era with the advent of nuclear

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weapons being tested in places and

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Roswell tell us why Roswell is important

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well of all the Roswell witnesses in my

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view the most important is a man named

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general Arthur exon and he was a

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lieutenant colonel at right field later

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wright-patterson Air Force Base in

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Dayton Ohio in July of 47 when this

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incident occurred down in New Mexico

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Lieutenant Colonel exon was later

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general exon he was the base commander

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of wright-patterson Air Force Base in

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the early 60s quite an unimpeachable

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source and he has gone on the record

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with Kevin Randle research for Kevin

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Randle saying that he was there when the

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debris from the Roswell craft came in

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and was analyzed by engineers at

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wright-patterson and he said a couple of

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the people involved thought this might

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be advanced Soviet technology based on

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captured German technology at the end of

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the war he said the majority of the

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analysts were pretty sure that this

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debris was from an interplanetary craft

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and he has said on the record on

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audiotape and in written letters that

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after 24 hours of analysis of this

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debris everyone from President Truman on

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down knew that we had recovered an

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interplanetary spacecraft now the

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importance of the Roswell incident to

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the nuclear weapons-related cases is

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that at the time of the incident Roswell

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Army Airfield was the only base on the

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planet that had nuclear capable bombers

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the 500 9th Bomb Group which was the

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same Bomb Group that Japan that the

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Japanese cities experienced in World War

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they were involved in some tests

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immediately after World War two in the

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South Pacific and literally at the time

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of the Roswell incident which Exxon

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general Exxon says the recovery of an

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alien spacecraft the nearby facility

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where all this took place was the only

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nuclear bomber base in the world at that

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time in my view that's not coincidental

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I think whoever were aboard this craft

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were involved in some sort of

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surveillance of the operations at

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Roswell that's also when the whole veil

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of secrecy over UFOs started to really

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into effect - that was part of Roswell

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as well all the cover-ups that the

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government you know just enforced on the

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public yes indeed now what we want just

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you know I think Robert really certainly

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no one disagrees that nuclear plants

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have attracted UFOs but I think what a

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lot of people don't understand is the

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size of these you know these flying

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vehicles these unidentified flying

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they're huge I mean they're really scary

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and they're fiery red and they're

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hanging there and you know there's just

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no communication with them it's it's

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sort of an odd sort of an object they're

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clearly not conventional aircraft the

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majority of the witnesses that I've

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spoken with primarily nuclear weapons

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bases they're the one to be above ground

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level who would see something in the sky

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the vast majority of my sources have

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said that these were saucer shaped

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probably 30 to 50 feet in diameter

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brightly glowing if they're seen at

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night if they're seen in the day they're

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silver metallic discs there are a

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handful of cases where what are being

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described are much larger object objects

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like cylinder shaped objects perhaps the

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size of an aircraft carrier or even

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larger and there are even cases where

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small discs have been observed coming

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out of these larger cylinder shaped

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objects as if they're motherships so to

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speak but the witnesses you know what I

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what I've told people now for three

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decades both on the college lecture

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circuit my audiences and just when I do

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interviews like this but all the people

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that I've talked to over the years are

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entrusted by the US government to either

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guard or operate nuclear weapons they

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were thoroughly vetted they're not

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flakes they're not psychologically

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unstable they they don't drink they

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don't have drug problems they're just

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thoroughly vetted and there's a system

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in place that keeps them very in check

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when they're they're not only doing

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their jobs but in their off-duty hours

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and yet now I have over 150 launch

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officers targeting officers

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missile maintenance personnel missile

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security guards all saying that UFOs

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have monitored and even tampered with

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our nuclear missiles or weapons in

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general and I just think the public

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really needs to realize that there are

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this many credible people all saying

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that this has taken place even though at

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the end of the Cold War we and the

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Russians downsized our nuclear arsenals

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we by treaty still have plenty of

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weapons over a thousand deployed

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missiles for example in each country let

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alone the stockpiles that would more

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than you know adequately destroy human

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civilization if we ever blunder into a

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nuclear war so even though nuclear

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weapons are not at this point in our

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history as dire a situation as they were

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when we were not threatening to go to

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war with the Soviets for example during

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the Cuban Missile Crisis the potential

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for disaster still exists and it's clear

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based on the reports that I've gotten

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even in the last two or three years from

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namsan Air Force Base that UFOs are

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still monitoring our nuclear weapons

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so this really is a subject that

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everyone has a vested interest in

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learning about absolutely

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what sort of scared me in the debate

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last night which you know without

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getting into any politics or anything is

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that both participants agreed strongly

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that nuclear war nuclear weapons for our

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major threat and that surprised me I

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mean I was thinking you know like all

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the other different political talking

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points would have come up but they both

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were very much in agreement with that

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which I mean obviously it's a serious

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problem in a real threat but I was

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surprised if that was brought up it has

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there been like an increase in nuclear

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observations or anything along those

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lines that would make that trick well to

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follow up on your to follow up on your

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point you know humans are fallible

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creatures one just has to look at our

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history to know that even if we don't

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intentionally mean to do something well

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sometimes blunder into things and there

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have been so many in my book which is

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available at my website UFO Hastings

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comm there's a whole chapter devoted to

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near misses where

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either we or the Russians almost

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launched World War 3 and all of these

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dramatic incidents these near misses

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were kept classified until the late

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1990s the best well-known one is the

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most dramatic one was the Cuban Missile

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Crisis in 1962 but there are over 20

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cases that either our government or the

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Russian government has acknowledged as

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being where we were literally minutes

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away from nuclear destruction and

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compete the vast majority of the

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American public and other people don't

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even know it to this day - your second

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point what is the frequency of sightings

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today you know my research is based on

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catch-as-catch-can there's no way I can

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systematically get an idea of how many

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events took place in a given year at a

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given base because quite clearly these

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are classified at a high level

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most of my sources these veterans wait

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years sometimes decades before they feel

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comfortable talking about what they were

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involved in so something may have

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happened last night at one base or

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another there could have been the USO

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event at a missile site at Malmstrom or

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some other base and it may be decades

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people I know about a year certainly but

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the last one that that we can ascertain

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occurred would note with no doubt was in

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October of 2010 @fe Warren Air Force

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Base in Wyoming and it was

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coincidentally or not only a month after

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my press conference in which was by the

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way six years ago today 27 pounds of

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September 2010 so that kind of

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coincidental Wow not not even a month

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later on October 23rd the eppie Warren

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Air Force Base suddenly could not

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communicate with five of the missile

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launch control capsules each of which

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controlled 10 nuclear missiles so

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suddenly were reasons that were

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inexplicable initially the base could

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not communicate with 50 officers that

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would have launched 50 missiles now when

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I heard that the story broke in the

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Atlantic by the way of the Atlantic

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website and the Pentagon had to admit

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that what they claimed was a one-hour

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situation where they couldn't community

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these castles what I learned by

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contacting my sources at the base both

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millet of duty military and retired was

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that the incident actually lasted 25

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hours something the Pentagon did not

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want to admit that they were having

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trouble communicating with these launch

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capsules for more than a day but what

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they also obviously did not want to

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admit what my source is filming the film

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maintenance technicians was that during

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this day-long incident

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there were various maintenance teams out

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in the field trying to ascertain and

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ascertain the problem and bring the

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missiles back online effective

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communications with the base and all

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these teams independently went back to

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the base and reported seeing a huge

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cylinder shaped object lighting through

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the sky and one of the sources said that

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it was pretty clear shortly thereafter

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that this was not a blimp or something

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because the maintenance commander at the

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base got the entire squadron in a room

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and said you are not discussed with

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journalists or researchers or anyone

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what you quote may or may not have seen

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in the sky so quite clearly a high-level

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Air Force personnel if you are knew that

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this was a UFO incident or at least the

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UFO was sighted at the same time they

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were having problems problems

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communicating with the missile crews

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quite clearly in my view there - - were

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related and that you know roughly six

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years ago that that this occurred so

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it's still ongoing it's not ancient

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history it didn't go away at the end of

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the Cold War now moving away from what

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just happened I want to just kind of

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give our listeners a a general idea of

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the typical incursion that might occur

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at one of these air bases that have

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these missile silos in them there are

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tell me if I'm wrong there are generally

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two layers to this there are the guys

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underneath the ground in front of the

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screams and in charge of the missile

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silos and then there are another group

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of airmen

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that are above ground who are watching

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the missile silos and there they're

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doing things above ground and generally

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these two groups operate somewhat

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separately and what happens to them

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during these incursions are somewhat

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different in the typical incursion the

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the UFO comes over the fellows up up top

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see see the UFO the UFO may or may not

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seem to shoot down a beam of light that

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goes into the area where the missiles

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are stored and then the gentleman

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downstairs find that the missiles have

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gone offline is that generally the way

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that these things work I mean not all of

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them obviously there's aberrant and

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different ones but is that kind of

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generally the way the scenario takes

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place it is and the co-sponsor of my

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press conference which CNN streamed live

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by the way if one goes to my home page

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again UFO a Steans comm one can look at

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the I think it's about 75 minute long

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press conference that CNN streamed where

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veterans were talking about these kinds

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of incidents the one that is most

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publicized that is representative by

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Robert Salas who was a former Air Force

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captain a nuclear missile launch officer

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who was at Malmstrom the same time my

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father was there in 1967 for almost 20

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years now he has publicly been speaking

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about his experience he was one of the

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launch officers 50 feet 60 feet

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underground in the launch capsule

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another officer named Fred Maiwald who

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retired as an Air Force colonel was with

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him my world was on rest break they're

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down there for like 24 hours so they

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take turns sleeping Salas was at the

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launch console Maiwald was sleeping

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Salas gets a call from a security guard

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saying we're seeing a strange object

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doing zigzag maneuvers in the sky

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Salas didn't know what to make of this

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he said well you know if anything else

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develops let me know and he said about

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five minutes later he

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another call from the security guards

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topside screaming into the phone that

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this round glowing orange object had now

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hovered suddenly approached the launch

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control castle was hovering directly

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over the front gate to the site and was

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too scaring the hell out of the guards

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one guard apparently was so panicked

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that he dropped his weapon and tried to

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climb the barbed wire fence to get out

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there by injuring himself le

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panic-stricken do it and salla said you

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know while he's taking all this

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reporting over the phone as he's looking

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at his launch consoles one after the

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other the ten missiles that he

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controlled dropped off alert status

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meaning they malfunctioned in some

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manner and could not be launched shortly

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thereafter the guard screams you know

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the objects left you know and I'm going

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to go take care of the injured Airmen so

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that's you know Sally says meanwhile

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woken up my world they get an indication

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an alarm at one of the other missiles

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you know they're here at a centrally

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located facility underground scattered

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around and in the countryside are 10

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different silos with missiles and them

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they get an alarm indication after this

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object has left they sent out two men

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what was called a security alert team

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and a jeep actually not a Jeep but a

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like a crew cab vehicle a pickup truck

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kind of vehicle and Sela said and my

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world has confirmed this I have

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interviewed him that when they got out

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to the missile silo they saw either the

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same or a different UFO hovering

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directly over that silo some ten miles

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distant from where they the launch

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control capsule was they were so freaked

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out these two guards that they

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immediately raced back to the launch

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control capsule and on the way there was

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radio interference which is quite common

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for UFO reports they could not

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communicate but Salas and Maiwald have

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said when they got back to the main

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facility they were just you know nervous

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wrecks one of them could not even keep

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his composure to the point that he could

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do his work they had to send him back

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early to the base hospital for

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psychiatric treatment he was just you

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know hadn't had a nervous breakdown

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apparently he was so terrified

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now the interesting thing this was at

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Oscars flight we pinned down the date

552
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:34,130
long story short from other sources we

553
00:24:41,140 --> 00:24:35,600
know that occurred on the evening of

554
00:24:44,130 --> 00:24:41,150
March 24 2009 teen 67 and continued on

555
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:44,140
into the early hours of March 25th

556
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:47,090
fortunately another Air Force officer

557
00:24:52,150 --> 00:24:49,730
who was a targeting officer named Robert

558
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:52,160
Jameson has also gone on the record he

559
00:24:58,360 --> 00:24:54,080
spoke at my press conference you can see

560
00:25:00,700 --> 00:24:58,370
his testimony in the at my website from

561
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:00,710
the CNN covered interviewed streamed

562
00:25:06,190 --> 00:25:03,770
interview Jamison Jamison confirmed all

563
00:25:08,110 --> 00:25:06,200
of this he said he was on call he got a

564
00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:08,120
report that there was a problem out at

565
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:10,130
Oscar flight he went down to the missile

566
00:25:14,860 --> 00:25:12,290
maintenance hangar at the base and was

567
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:14,870
told that a UFO had shut down all ten of

568
00:25:19,540 --> 00:25:16,610
the nuclear missiles associated with

569
00:25:21,700 --> 00:25:19,550
Oscar flight and you know he didn't you

570
00:25:24,820 --> 00:25:21,710
know I mean you can imagine he's going

571
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:24,830
what what happened you know and but then

572
00:25:29,290 --> 00:25:26,570
sure enough it was what he called the

573
00:25:31,210 --> 00:25:29,300
special briefing right before the cruise

574
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:31,220
left for that site way out in the

575
00:25:36,430 --> 00:25:33,440
Montana countryside they were told

576
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:36,440
formally that UFOs had been quote messin

577
00:25:41,700 --> 00:25:39,050
with the missiles and that they had to

578
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:41,710
go back and there and bring them back up

579
00:25:46,750 --> 00:25:45,170
the exact nature of the problem seemed

580
00:25:49,300 --> 00:25:46,760
to be what was called guidance and

581
00:25:51,340 --> 00:25:49,310
control failure part of the guidance

582
00:25:54,250 --> 00:25:51,350
system to the missile in all 10 missiles

583
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:54,260
had been screwed up with screwed with

584
00:25:59,860 --> 00:25:57,530
you know and somehow the UFO in this

585
00:26:02,340 --> 00:25:59,870
case no one saw a beam come down onto

586
00:26:05,260 --> 00:26:02,350
the missiles but there clearly was an

587
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:05,270
association with the UFO being in the

588
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:06,530
vicinity and all the missiles

589
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:09,290
simultaneously having these guidance and

590
00:26:14,350 --> 00:26:11,810
control problems so that's you know that

591
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:14,360
I guess I should conclude by saying that

592
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:16,640
Salas said that he and my Wold were

593
00:26:21,310 --> 00:26:18,050
rushed back to the base they were

594
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:21,320
debriefed by what's called an OSI Office

595
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:23,690
of Special Investigations agent were

596
00:26:28,210 --> 00:26:26,690
sworn to secrecy they had to sign what

597
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:28,220
are called national security

598
00:26:32,020 --> 00:26:30,650
non-disclosure statements saying that

599
00:26:35,380 --> 00:26:32,030
they couldn't even a talk about this

600
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:35,390
among themselves and you know silence

601
00:26:39,140 --> 00:26:37,850
Alice kept his silence for three decades

602
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:39,150
he finally

603
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:42,480
mid 90s felt that as I feel the public

604
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:44,010
has a right to know the facts and he

605
00:26:52,790 --> 00:26:46,170
began speaking about this publicly had

606
00:26:54,380 --> 00:26:52,800
he any any repercussions from that none

607
00:26:56,750 --> 00:26:54,390
of the people that I've talked to you

608
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:56,760
including Salas have ever had any legal

609
00:27:00,430 --> 00:26:57,570
problems

610
00:27:04,580 --> 00:27:00,440
the FBI has not shown up at their door

611
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:04,590
you know what I think is going on is the

612
00:27:09,530 --> 00:27:07,770
Pentagon is thinking probably that if

613
00:27:11,390 --> 00:27:09,540
they leaned on these guys who are

614
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:11,400
willing to come out and speak to CNN

615
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:14,010
about all of this if they suddenly start

616
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,360
harassing these veterans

617
00:27:19,820 --> 00:27:17,520
these guys are likely just to go to the

618
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:19,830
New York Times or you know Washington

619
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:22,559
Post and say you know I was involved in

620
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:25,050
this incident and now the FBI or the Air

621
00:27:28,610 --> 00:27:27,090
Force is threatening me and that's just

622
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:28,620
more unwanted publicity

623
00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:33,090
so again of all the people 150 plus at

624
00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:34,980
this point whom I've interviewed since

625
00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:38,100
1973 not one of them has ever said to me

626
00:27:43,610 --> 00:27:40,200
you know after I talk to you you know I

627
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:43,620
was threatened by the government so the

628
00:27:49,790 --> 00:27:45,510
the active-duty guys that's a different

629
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:49,800
story I have made it a point not to talk

630
00:27:53,570 --> 00:27:51,240
to active duty military personnel

631
00:27:56,270 --> 00:27:53,580
because I don't want to impact their

632
00:27:58,669 --> 00:27:56,280
careers negatively you know if their

633
00:28:00,940 --> 00:27:58,679
commanders or someone else's becomes

634
00:28:03,620 --> 00:28:00,950
aware of me talking to them and so on so

635
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:03,630
but as far as the veterans the Pentagon

636
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:05,730
and the intelligence community just

637
00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:07,850
seems to seem to leave these guys alone

638
00:28:12,980 --> 00:28:11,400
you know I think also other the the fact

639
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:12,990
that you report these Airmen being

640
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:16,050
terrified it's one thing to talk about

641
00:28:20,570 --> 00:28:18,000
this a read about it but something else

642
00:28:23,330 --> 00:28:20,580
to see a representation of this in your

643
00:28:27,820 --> 00:28:23,340
movie this is Robert Hastings that were

644
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:27,830
speaking to and the movie was just a

645
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:31,170
really excellent I mean it I think I

646
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:32,970
like it because it's not very

647
00:28:37,910 --> 00:28:35,250
sensational at all it's just like these

648
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:37,920
wraps bumbum documentary perfect

649
00:28:43,790 --> 00:28:41,610
documentary you want balls and nukes

650
00:28:46,220 --> 00:28:43,800
the secret link revealed this is the

651
00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:46,230
name of the documentary film available

652
00:28:52,610 --> 00:28:48,600
on Vimeo go ahead yeah no I was going to

653
00:28:53,030 --> 00:28:52,620
say by Robert Hayes yes but well over

654
00:28:55,340 --> 00:28:53,040
the

655
00:28:58,370 --> 00:28:55,350
relation you know I've gotten thousands

656
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:58,380
of contacts especially now that people

657
00:29:04,220 --> 00:29:00,960
have email I mean prior to email I would

658
00:29:07,010 --> 00:29:04,230
get pandering letters from people all

659
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:07,020
over the world actually saying why I

660
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:09,090
like you you know what you do is that

661
00:29:13,460 --> 00:29:11,370
you're not sensationalistic you don't

662
00:29:14,930 --> 00:29:13,470
make claims that you can't verify you

663
00:29:16,730 --> 00:29:14,940
have credible witnesses you have

664
00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:16,740
documents to back up what you're saying

665
00:29:22,430 --> 00:29:19,620
and it's clear that this is all based in

666
00:29:25,550 --> 00:29:22,440
factual reality it's not speculative

667
00:29:30,140 --> 00:29:25,560
it's not you know fanciful and so on so

668
00:29:33,050 --> 00:29:30,150
yes my film in nineteen excuse me twenty

669
00:29:35,270 --> 00:29:33,060
twelve I was contacted by a man named

670
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:35,280
Jared Carvel he was one of the

671
00:29:44,390 --> 00:29:38,010
cofounders of the Etsy website EPSA duck

672
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:44,400
at sea ETS why.com yes and fortunately

673
00:29:48,860 --> 00:29:47,010
he read my book he was a UFO skeptic I

674
00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:48,870
turned him around completely I mean he

675
00:29:54,620 --> 00:29:51,510
was blown away by the book and he said

676
00:29:57,260 --> 00:29:54,630
you know I'm I'm well-to-do I have a lot

677
00:29:58,910 --> 00:29:57,270
of money can I help you and I said well

678
00:30:00,890 --> 00:29:58,920
you know I've never really taken money

679
00:30:02,660 --> 00:30:00,900
from people before and he basically

680
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:02,670
wrote back and said you know listen

681
00:30:06,980 --> 00:30:05,250
Poole I am a millionaire you're probably

682
00:30:09,980 --> 00:30:06,990
not why don't you let me help you you

683
00:30:11,780 --> 00:30:09,990
know and so long story short he ended up

684
00:30:13,490 --> 00:30:11,790
eventually shelling out a hundred and

685
00:30:16,670 --> 00:30:13,500
fifty thousand dollars to make this

686
00:30:19,670 --> 00:30:16,680
documentary film anyone who's not made a

687
00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:19,680
film you would not believe how expensive

688
00:30:25,970 --> 00:30:21,960
this type of production can become very

689
00:30:29,090 --> 00:30:25,980
quickly in any case you know the film is

690
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:29,100
48 minutes long it is available again at

691
00:30:36,050 --> 00:30:32,610
Demio com you just search for UFOs and

692
00:30:39,740 --> 00:30:36,060
nukes the feedback has been

693
00:30:41,530 --> 00:30:39,750
overwhelmingly favorable in just the two

694
00:30:45,950 --> 00:30:41,540
or three months that it's been available

695
00:30:48,350 --> 00:30:45,960
it's generated in terms of the responses

696
00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:48,360
I've gotten via email over a thousand

697
00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:50,460
responses two or three of which were

698
00:30:54,410 --> 00:30:52,500
critical the rest people just were

699
00:30:57,020 --> 00:30:54,420
diffusive and they're praised because it

700
00:30:59,960 --> 00:30:57,030
is documented it's not it's not

701
00:31:01,850 --> 00:30:59,970
sensationalistic and what many many

702
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:01,860
people have commented on is the fact

703
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:03,330
that you can see these veterans on

704
00:31:07,049 --> 00:31:05,610
camera discussing that length the

705
00:31:08,460 --> 00:31:07,059
incidents they were in go

706
00:31:10,980 --> 00:31:08,470
then you don't have to just read their

707
00:31:12,690 --> 00:31:10,990
testimony in an article in my book you

708
00:31:14,820 --> 00:31:12,700
know it seems to have an extra dimension

709
00:31:17,999 --> 00:31:14,830
of impact to see these guys who are all

710
00:31:20,879 --> 00:31:18,009
in their 70s and 80s very articulately

711
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,889
speaking about one the UFO shut down

712
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:22,480
their missiles and how they were told

713
00:31:29,220 --> 00:31:25,690
never to talk about it it's quite it has

714
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:29,230
quite a bit of impact well for every for

715
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:31,120
each one of these hundred and fifty

716
00:31:36,629 --> 00:31:33,970
gentlemen who have come out and told you

717
00:31:38,489 --> 00:31:36,639
these things there are probably at least

718
00:31:42,210 --> 00:31:38,499
ten others who have not would you

719
00:31:43,980 --> 00:31:42,220
suspect that that's it and at the end of

720
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:43,990
the program at the end of the film I

721
00:31:48,269 --> 00:31:46,330
asked veterans to contact me I even have

722
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:48,279
my website on the screen so people can

723
00:31:54,269 --> 00:31:51,850
read it I have always tried to generate

724
00:31:56,129 --> 00:31:54,279
new sources to you know further

725
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:56,139
strengthen the argument that this is

726
00:32:01,739 --> 00:31:59,679
real and ongoing I'm aware of incidents

727
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:01,749
just even in the last five years other

728
00:32:05,850 --> 00:32:03,519
than the one that I mentioned that Fe

729
00:32:08,190 --> 00:32:05,860
were in Air Force Base where UFO

730
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:08,200
activity at either missile sites or

731
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:11,049
nuclear warhead storage that those or

732
00:32:16,980 --> 00:32:15,279
bomb storage depots it's ongoing and you

733
00:32:19,739 --> 00:32:16,990
know there are veterans now security

734
00:32:21,629 --> 00:32:19,749
policemen and others who were with the

735
00:32:23,999 --> 00:32:21,639
Air Force for four years they're not now

736
00:32:26,489 --> 00:32:24,009
out there in their late 20s or early 30s

737
00:32:29,850 --> 00:32:26,499
and they're contacting me with some

738
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:29,860
amazing stories unlike the older guys

739
00:32:34,289 --> 00:32:32,320
all of whom were you know involved in

740
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:34,299
incident from the 60s and 70s and

741
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,730
they're now retired these younger guys

742
00:32:40,049 --> 00:32:38,320
are a little more reluctant to come

743
00:32:42,090 --> 00:32:40,059
forward because they still have careers

744
00:32:44,909 --> 00:32:42,100
they have jobs and they're just afraid

745
00:32:47,009 --> 00:32:44,919
that you know by saying that you know

746
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:47,019
UFOs are messing with our nukes is

747
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:49,210
somehow going to come back to haunt them

748
00:32:53,970 --> 00:32:51,039
in terms of their professional careers

749
00:32:56,940 --> 00:32:53,980
so they're a little more reluctant might

750
00:32:59,639 --> 00:32:56,950
one of my goals is hopefully within five

751
00:33:01,529 --> 00:32:59,649
years to get some of the younger

752
00:33:03,299 --> 00:33:01,539
veterans willing to go again back to

753
00:33:05,789 --> 00:33:03,309
Washington to the National Press Club

754
00:33:08,129 --> 00:33:05,799
and have a repeat of my press conference

755
00:33:10,649 --> 00:33:08,139
but with younger veterans describing

756
00:33:13,259 --> 00:33:10,659
incidents that have taken place just in

757
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:13,269
the last ten years you know the point I

758
00:33:17,609 --> 00:33:15,490
make again and again is this did not go

759
00:33:20,010 --> 00:33:17,619
away decades ago you know at the end of

760
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:20,020
the Cold War we still have nukes

761
00:33:25,860 --> 00:33:22,410
Russians have nukes the North Korean

762
00:33:28,590 --> 00:33:25,870
North Koreans have nukes the UFOs are

763
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:28,600
still very interested in the nuclear

764
00:33:34,830 --> 00:33:32,170
weapons situation and I just think I

765
00:33:36,330 --> 00:33:34,840
guess to my last dying day that this is

766
00:33:38,370 --> 00:33:36,340
something that should not be hidden from

767
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:38,380
the public house only Americans but

768
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:41,200
people everywhere have you at all looked

769
00:33:47,490 --> 00:33:44,770
into the biggest nuclear disaster of our

770
00:33:50,430 --> 00:33:47,500
time that keeps unfolding which is the

771
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:50,440
Fukushima meltdown the the whole thing

772
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:54,010
that happened there in in Japan and

773
00:34:00,410 --> 00:33:58,080
still continues to generate of gallons

774
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:00,420
thousands of gallons of nuclear waste

775
00:34:05,310 --> 00:34:03,250
every day miss poisoning the ocean and

776
00:34:07,980 --> 00:34:05,320
probably killing a whole bunch of

777
00:34:10,620 --> 00:34:07,990
Japanese people at the same time as well

778
00:34:13,260 --> 00:34:10,630
as people on the islands and moving over

779
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:13,270
to the west coast of the United States

780
00:34:22,020 --> 00:34:18,000
has there have been any of UFO sightings

781
00:34:24,690 --> 00:34:22,030
incursions anything involving that you

782
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,700
know there have been us weather I've

783
00:34:30,270 --> 00:34:26,560
looked into it I really have not

784
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:30,280
investigated it per se because of other

785
00:34:34,530 --> 00:34:32,649
factors I don't speak Japanese

786
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:34,540
having good communications with people

787
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:36,310
that might have information about that

788
00:34:40,860 --> 00:34:38,890
it would be a little difficult for me to

789
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:40,870
really get some credible sources and go

790
00:34:47,850 --> 00:34:43,690
through the translation process among

791
00:34:50,190 --> 00:34:47,860
other factors however shortly after it

792
00:34:52,850 --> 00:34:50,200
occurred I'm aware of some hoaxes that

793
00:34:55,260 --> 00:34:52,860
appeared on the Internet where people

794
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:55,270
allege that they had caught videos of

795
00:35:01,530 --> 00:34:58,210
UFOs above Fukushima every one of those

796
00:35:03,780 --> 00:35:01,540
that I saw early on after the accident

797
00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:03,790
in 2011 were fraudulent they were

798
00:35:09,690 --> 00:35:07,240
clearly other objects than bonafide UFOs

799
00:35:13,050 --> 00:35:09,700
so I became a little disenchanted with

800
00:35:15,690 --> 00:35:13,060
the whole Fukushima thing however not

801
00:35:17,370 --> 00:35:15,700
even a year ago I believe it was I was

802
00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:17,380
presented with a couple of security

803
00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:20,950
camera films caretaking at the Fukushima

804
00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:22,630
plant you can see it in the foreground

805
00:35:27,330 --> 00:35:24,760
in the field of the view of the cameras

806
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:27,340
in which there are on these two films

807
00:35:32,070 --> 00:35:29,410
objects moving in the sky that clearly

808
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:32,080
are not conventional aircraft so I think

809
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:33,970
there are some legitimate tapes

810
00:35:38,820 --> 00:35:36,130
out there are some videos that would

811
00:35:41,609 --> 00:35:38,830
suggest the UFO presence at this site

812
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:41,619
and based on everything I know about the

813
00:35:46,859 --> 00:35:45,010
situation going back decades you know

814
00:35:49,530 --> 00:35:46,869
this would not surprise me in the least

815
00:35:52,099 --> 00:35:49,540
the in my book I briefly discussed the

816
00:35:55,620 --> 00:35:52,109
fact that shortly after the Chernobyl

817
00:36:00,210 --> 00:35:55,630
reactor in Ukraine so that Ukraine

818
00:36:02,430 --> 00:36:00,220
exploded in April 1986 apparently there

819
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:02,440
were Soviet radiation monitoring teams

820
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:05,680
on site who observed what was described

821
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:08,800
as a brass colored sphere hovering

822
00:36:13,620 --> 00:36:10,960
directly above the damaged rack reactor

823
00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:13,630
just a few hours after it exploded and

824
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:15,430
these people were there monitoring

825
00:36:20,339 --> 00:36:18,400
monitoring the ambient radiation the

826
00:36:22,170 --> 00:36:20,349
reports that later appeared in the

827
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:22,180
Soviet actually Russian by that point

828
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:25,119
Russian media and Ukrainian media named

829
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:27,609
one of these soviet radiation team

830
00:36:33,690 --> 00:36:30,880
members he described seeing the sphere

831
00:36:36,030 --> 00:36:33,700
that hovered above the plant sending

832
00:36:38,849 --> 00:36:36,040
down what he called to crimson colored

833
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:38,859
beams of light into the reactor right

834
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:42,310
into the damaged pile and he estimated

835
00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:43,839
for some three to five minutes this

836
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:45,910
thing hovered above the site it raced

837
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:48,250
away he said there were hundreds of

838
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:51,359
witnesses and the most dramatic

839
00:36:57,599 --> 00:36:55,119
revelation was that based on their

840
00:36:59,790 --> 00:36:57,609
readings of the ambient radiation in the

841
00:37:01,740 --> 00:36:59,800
air when they first got there when this

842
00:37:04,050 --> 00:37:01,750
object left according to this source

843
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:04,060
mentioned Vulcan the Soviet or Russian

844
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:08,050
again and Ukrainian press he said that

845
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:10,960
the radiant the ambient rather radiation

846
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:14,560
level had dropped by two-thirds and when

847
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:16,330
they when they next measured it in the

848
00:37:21,390 --> 00:37:18,810
air it seemingly the suggestion was that

849
00:37:23,310 --> 00:37:21,400
whatever this UFO did with these beams

850
00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:23,320
of light somehow it had lowered the

851
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:26,710
radiation level did those being somehow

852
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:29,170
coat the pile with like LED you know

853
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:31,290
which would have made it less

854
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:33,760
radioactive it you know the radiation

855
00:37:38,220 --> 00:37:35,920
can't get through lead or who knows what

856
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:38,230
went on but all of this was described in

857
00:37:46,290 --> 00:37:42,970
a very cogent convincing fashion so I

858
00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:46,300
would not be surprised if whoever were

859
00:37:49,810 --> 00:37:47,510
flying these

860
00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:49,820
have would take an immediate and ongoing

861
00:37:55,390 --> 00:37:53,150
interest in Fukushima well it strikes me

862
00:37:59,140 --> 00:37:55,400
to it when you go back to the 60s and

863
00:38:02,380 --> 00:37:59,150
the technology the computers of that era

864
00:38:05,860 --> 00:38:02,390
were obviously in today's world very

865
00:38:07,870 --> 00:38:05,870
rudimentary and so it was always amazing

866
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:07,880
that they could be shut down and yet

867
00:38:12,820 --> 00:38:09,890
with wireless technology which I'm

868
00:38:15,250 --> 00:38:12,830
pretty sure is available to a UFO it

869
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:15,260
that's obviously what they did and as

870
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:18,560
the technology has a technology

871
00:38:23,590 --> 00:38:21,290
increased with these I'd be ICBMs or are

872
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:23,600
they sort of forced into keeping the

873
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:26,480
same type because of just because they

874
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:27,710
have to change absolutely everything

875
00:38:34,060 --> 00:38:31,760
over my understanding talking to the

876
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:34,070
veterans is that the systems have

877
00:38:38,380 --> 00:38:36,050
progressed the the hardware and in the

878
00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:38,390
Phils themselves but it seems like the

879
00:38:42,010 --> 00:38:40,310
infrastructure for example the telephone

880
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:42,020
systems down in the launch control

881
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:44,510
capsules you know they're still being

882
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:47,210
ruined by floppy discs and you know

883
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:49,730
there's some current outcry about you

884
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:50,720
know if we're going to have these nukes

885
00:38:57,250 --> 00:38:52,730
we really need to upgrade on the support

886
00:38:59,950 --> 00:38:57,260
systems but one of the one of the

887
00:39:02,290 --> 00:38:59,960
veterans Bruce Spencer mocker who was

888
00:39:05,020 --> 00:39:02,300
involved in an incident EFI warning I

889
00:39:06,910 --> 00:39:05,030
mentioned it in my film he was a launch

890
00:39:08,590 --> 00:39:06,920
officer got a report of this huge

891
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:08,600
cigar-shaped out you're covering over

892
00:39:13,420 --> 00:39:11,450
his his launch control capsule and got

893
00:39:16,210 --> 00:39:13,430
these extended reports from the guards

894
00:39:17,950 --> 00:39:16,220
he ordered them out to chase this thing

895
00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:17,960
it was moving from this little missile

896
00:39:22,750 --> 00:39:20,150
he later learned that they were so

897
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:22,760
terrified they kept making up excuses as

898
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:24,970
to why they they could not go out there

899
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:27,680
but I mentioned that he talked in the

900
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:29,330
film about what happened there and being

901
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:31,970
sworn to secrecy and so on but he told

902
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:35,810
me that by the time the mid-70s came

903
00:39:39,370 --> 00:39:37,130
around when he was in the Air Force

904
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:39,380
there were some efforts to further

905
00:39:46,210 --> 00:39:43,210
shield the systems from external radio

906
00:39:49,450 --> 00:39:46,220
electromagnetic pulses rather which they

907
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:49,460
think the best analysis is that somehow

908
00:39:55,420 --> 00:39:52,850
an EMP or electromagnetic pulse was

909
00:39:57,130 --> 00:39:55,430
injected directly into the cables that

910
00:40:00,580 --> 00:39:57,140
connected all the missiles of it mounts

911
00:40:01,390 --> 00:40:00,590
from when they went down and former

912
00:40:03,550 --> 00:40:01,400
captain

913
00:40:05,410 --> 00:40:03,560
Gemara was saying that he was aware the

914
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:05,420
Air Force was upgrading security in

915
00:40:09,870 --> 00:40:07,730
terms of shielding the cable so they

916
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:09,880
would be more resistant to

917
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:12,770
electromagnetic pulse and based on what

918
00:40:17,950 --> 00:40:14,690
I know about the situation I suspect

919
00:40:20,530 --> 00:40:17,960
those actions were a direct result to be

920
00:40:23,350 --> 00:40:20,540
Air Force knowing that the UFOs had used

921
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:23,360
EMP to shut down the missiles some 10

922
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:27,170
years earlier at the Nam strim but you

923
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:29,570
know it's the other thing you know if

924
00:40:33,340 --> 00:40:31,760
one has sort of a passing interest in

925
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:33,350
this or has read about this on the

926
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:35,810
internet at one website or another the

927
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:37,370
sense is that maybe there were one or

928
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:40,370
two one or two incidents it's clear

929
00:40:44,260 --> 00:40:41,770
there have been hundreds if not

930
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:44,270
thousands of these incidents since the

931
00:40:49,450 --> 00:40:47,570
late 40s of UFOs hovering over and even

932
00:40:53,380 --> 00:40:49,460
tampering with American nuclear weapons

933
00:40:55,540 --> 00:40:53,390
it's just rampant you know and again and

934
00:40:59,400 --> 00:40:55,550
robbing one's - I'm sorry - interested

935
00:41:01,570 --> 00:40:59,410
by in Russia yeah there's a

936
00:41:03,850 --> 00:41:01,580
investigative television reporter named

937
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:03,860
George Knapp many of your listeners will

938
00:41:08,260 --> 00:41:06,410
have heard of George Knapp he was

939
00:41:11,410 --> 00:41:08,270
involved for example in bringing forward

940
00:41:14,830 --> 00:41:11,420
Bob Lazar who made claims about his work

941
00:41:17,820 --> 00:41:14,840
on an alien craft that's for that aside

942
00:41:20,650 --> 00:41:17,830
whatever the merits of those claims

943
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:20,660
George Knapp was in Russia shortly after

944
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:22,570
the collapse of the Soviet Union

945
00:41:25,740 --> 00:41:25,010
interviewing former Soviet Army

946
00:41:28,570 --> 00:41:25,750
personnel

947
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:28,580
one of whom Boris Sokolov who was a

948
00:41:33,490 --> 00:41:31,310
colonel retired colonel had in his

949
00:41:36,700 --> 00:41:33,500
possession some still top-secret

950
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:36,710
documents about UFO incursions at Soviet

951
00:41:45,310 --> 00:41:40,610
missile sites and amazingly and and with

952
00:41:47,650 --> 00:41:45,320
Colonel Sacco loves you know cooperation

953
00:41:51,010 --> 00:41:47,660
in effect or approval George Knapp

954
00:41:53,290 --> 00:41:51,020
smuggled these several hundred pages of

955
00:41:56,740 --> 00:41:53,300
secret documents about these nuclear

956
00:42:00,160 --> 00:41:56,750
missile cases and in Russia to the west

957
00:42:02,500 --> 00:42:00,170
and I presented two of them in my film

958
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:02,510
where they're describing in one case a

959
00:42:09,370 --> 00:42:05,930
UFO sending down a beam laser light beam

960
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:09,380
onto a nuclear warhead storage depot

961
00:42:13,860 --> 00:42:12,110
missile warhead storage Depot and there

962
00:42:15,220 --> 00:42:13,870
were hundreds of witnesses at this base

963
00:42:21,250 --> 00:42:15,230
at

964
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:21,260
disc hovering above the nuclear Depot

965
00:42:28,349 --> 00:42:24,890
and sending down this beam directly onto

966
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:28,359
the roof of the building another case in

967
00:42:35,530 --> 00:42:32,450
1982 in Soviet Ukraine where a huge disc

968
00:42:38,980 --> 00:42:35,540
disc shaped craft hovered above a

969
00:42:42,580 --> 00:42:38,990
intermediate intermediate range nuclear

970
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:42,590
missile site in Soviet Ukraine and for

971
00:42:46,420 --> 00:42:44,450
15 seconds while this object was

972
00:42:49,090 --> 00:42:46,430
hovering above the missile base the

973
00:42:51,310 --> 00:42:49,100
missiles some unspecified number of

974
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:51,320
missiles went into countdown mode they

975
00:42:55,060 --> 00:42:52,609
preparing the catch

976
00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:55,070
that was an end or a the best out of all

977
00:43:02,500 --> 00:42:59,119
of this thank God 15 seconds 15 seconds

978
00:43:04,270 --> 00:43:02,510
you know the missile security people one

979
00:43:06,370 --> 00:43:04,280
of the witnesses said that they look

980
00:43:09,010 --> 00:43:06,380
like old men he said their hair turned

981
00:43:13,060 --> 00:43:09,020
gray you know clearly trying to explain

982
00:43:14,859 --> 00:43:13,070
how terrified they were and from from

983
00:43:16,780 --> 00:43:14,869
one of the stories about that too the

984
00:43:18,670 --> 00:43:16,790
one guy was so terrified you know what

985
00:43:20,530 --> 00:43:18,680
to do he actually pulled the plugs out

986
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:20,540
of the wall tried to disconnect

987
00:43:25,570 --> 00:43:22,880
everything I don't that's probably just

988
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:25,580
hearsay but what careful situation I've

989
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:27,650
not heard that but you know but I do

990
00:43:33,340 --> 00:43:29,810
know that they had no control over this

991
00:43:36,070 --> 00:43:33,350
countdown as I mentioned in my film I

992
00:43:38,190 --> 00:43:36,080
one of my veterans who I show in the

993
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,200
film David Shore he was formerly a

994
00:43:42,430 --> 00:43:40,400
captain in the Air Force and nuclear

995
00:43:45,460 --> 00:43:42,440
missile launch officer at Minot Air

996
00:43:47,830 --> 00:43:45,470
Force Base North Dakota in the 60s he

997
00:43:50,290 --> 00:43:47,840
described a similar incident first to me

998
00:43:53,260 --> 00:43:50,300
on audio tape in my book and then later

999
00:43:55,810 --> 00:43:53,270
in the film saying that he got a call

1000
00:43:58,660 --> 00:43:55,820
from his guard top guard from ground

1001
00:44:00,910 --> 00:43:58,670
levels down to the capsule saying we're

1002
00:44:02,859 --> 00:44:00,920
looking at this bright disc shaped

1003
00:44:06,310 --> 00:44:02,869
object moving from missile to missile to

1004
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:06,320
missile and captain Shaw said that when

1005
00:44:10,810 --> 00:44:07,609
the guard said it was over

1006
00:44:13,210 --> 00:44:10,820
efore suddenly ii4 down on his console

1007
00:44:15,460 --> 00:44:13,220
would light up and was clearly going

1008
00:44:18,820 --> 00:44:15,470
into countdown mode with some watch a

1009
00:44:20,849 --> 00:44:18,830
mode and sure-sure said that they would

1010
00:44:23,290 --> 00:44:20,859
flip what's called an inhibit switch and

1011
00:44:25,420 --> 00:44:23,300
then the guard would say it's now moved

1012
00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:25,430
on to e6 and suddenly down in the

1013
00:44:29,019 --> 00:44:28,310
capsule of light denoting e6 would move

1014
00:44:31,299 --> 00:44:29,029
on a

1015
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:31,309
go on indicating that that missile was

1016
00:44:37,959 --> 00:44:33,529
now in countdown mode just very

1017
00:44:40,899 --> 00:44:37,969
terrifying stuff and you know sure said

1018
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:40,909
that he you know he thinks out of the

1019
00:44:45,099 --> 00:44:42,890
ten missiles that he control probably

1020
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:45,109
eight of them had this problem and in

1021
00:44:51,130 --> 00:44:46,880
each case they had to flip this inhibit

1022
00:44:53,409 --> 00:44:51,140
switch because to all indications these

1023
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:53,419
missiles were preparing to launch if

1024
00:44:59,380 --> 00:44:55,609
they had of course it would have been

1025
00:45:02,890 --> 00:44:59,390
World War three uh what I what I say in

1026
00:45:05,499 --> 00:45:02,900
my film is I don't think those aboard

1027
00:45:07,809 --> 00:45:05,509
the UFO either in Russia or America

1028
00:45:09,789 --> 00:45:07,819
we're trying to start a war but what

1029
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:09,799
they were probably doing was activating

1030
00:45:15,549 --> 00:45:12,049
the launch sequence to try to learn how

1031
00:45:17,499 --> 00:45:15,559
it worked electronically and and so you

1032
00:45:18,939 --> 00:45:17,509
know if in fact it ever came to at the

1033
00:45:21,849 --> 00:45:18,949
point where we were going to launch

1034
00:45:24,399 --> 00:45:21,859
nuclear war or the Russians were these

1035
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:24,409
whoever these people are in this craft

1036
00:45:29,229 --> 00:45:27,049
they would have the ability to interfere

1037
00:45:31,899 --> 00:45:29,239
with the launch sequences that's my high

1038
00:45:35,709 --> 00:45:31,909
pot that's my hypothesis that brings me

1039
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:35,719
to a two-part question the first part is

1040
00:45:44,859 --> 00:45:39,529
um it seems as though aside from the

1041
00:45:47,140 --> 00:45:44,869
people in the capsules when the the

1042
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:47,150
missile seemed like that they were going

1043
00:45:53,799 --> 00:45:50,089
to launch aside from that form of terror

1044
00:45:56,799 --> 00:45:53,809
that the topside fellows they seem to

1045
00:46:00,120 --> 00:45:56,809
have had a lot of terror

1046
00:46:04,329 --> 00:46:00,130
going on just from having seen the UFOs

1047
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:04,339
and they experienced such things as like

1048
00:46:10,449 --> 00:46:06,049
you said the gentlemen trying to climb

1049
00:46:14,620 --> 00:46:10,459
out of the out of the base and also in

1050
00:46:16,509 --> 00:46:14,630
one of your film of Clips there was a

1051
00:46:19,359 --> 00:46:16,519
fellow that went into a fetal position

1052
00:46:23,649 --> 00:46:19,369
and could not be coaxed out of it for

1053
00:46:25,749 --> 00:46:23,659
some about a time now there is a some

1054
00:46:29,949 --> 00:46:25,759
form of a directive that we have heard

1055
00:46:33,989 --> 00:46:29,959
about that people have done a study that

1056
00:46:38,469 --> 00:46:33,999
said that the entire fabric of society

1057
00:46:41,979 --> 00:46:38,479
would fray and perhaps collapse if it

1058
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:41,989
will reveal that UFOs were visiting the

1059
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:42,710
earth

1060
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:45,170
there's been a lot of arguments to and

1061
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:47,510
fro amongst you follow gist as to

1062
00:46:52,570 --> 00:46:50,450
whether this would actually happen and

1063
00:46:54,730 --> 00:46:52,580
what is your opinion having spoken to

1064
00:46:57,339 --> 00:46:54,740
some of these fellows who've seen these

1065
00:47:00,130 --> 00:46:57,349
UFOs and in fact panicked well don't

1066
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:00,140
forget to I mean these they weren't

1067
00:47:03,460 --> 00:47:01,760
seeing in the middle of the city with

1068
00:47:05,050 --> 00:47:03,470
everyone however around saying yeah

1069
00:47:07,630 --> 00:47:05,060
what's that I mean they're out in the

1070
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:07,640
middle of nowhere God's own country and

1071
00:47:11,980 --> 00:47:10,160
it's pitch dark and you know this

1072
00:47:13,870 --> 00:47:11,990
happens a lot to people out in the

1073
00:47:16,359 --> 00:47:13,880
middle of nowhere apparent well I know

1074
00:47:18,490 --> 00:47:16,369
they've got some little popgun of a

1075
00:47:20,770 --> 00:47:18,500
rifle out there and then this huge thing

1076
00:47:22,690 --> 00:47:20,780
comes over their head and shoots down

1077
00:47:24,370 --> 00:47:22,700
beams of light and missiles are going

1078
00:47:27,370 --> 00:47:24,380
off yeah they're scary and what are they

1079
00:47:31,260 --> 00:47:27,380
89 years old what what I mean exactly

1080
00:47:33,730 --> 00:47:31,270
wouldn't it change ine point yeah

1081
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:33,740
actually in my book I mentioned for

1082
00:47:38,050 --> 00:47:36,050
example in 1959 the Brookings

1083
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:38,060
Institution which is a think-tank

1084
00:47:42,670 --> 00:47:40,130
right did a study for NASA there was

1085
00:47:45,130 --> 00:47:42,680
another study by the RAND Corporation

1086
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:45,140
which is a think tank for the Air Force

1087
00:47:51,849 --> 00:47:49,130
in 1966 fifty-eight both of those would

1088
00:47:54,099 --> 00:47:51,859
be classified in either case in both

1089
00:47:57,010 --> 00:47:54,109
cases I should say the analysts at these

1090
00:48:00,040 --> 00:47:57,020
think tanks told NASA and the Air Force

1091
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:00,050
that there was potential for public

1092
00:48:06,190 --> 00:48:03,770
panic human systems such as economic

1093
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:06,200
system could collapse opposed some

1094
00:48:10,900 --> 00:48:08,210
president gets on TV and says that

1095
00:48:12,910 --> 00:48:10,910
beings from another world or here you

1096
00:48:14,589 --> 00:48:12,920
know some number of people might take a

1097
00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:14,599
large number of people might take their

1098
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:16,510
their stocks out of the stock market

1099
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:19,130
bury their money in their backyard till

1100
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:20,810
I see what happened you know I mean that

1101
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:22,690
kind of thing where you suddenly have an

1102
00:48:26,349 --> 00:48:25,130
settled economic situation people

1103
00:48:28,780 --> 00:48:26,359
wondering you know what's going to

1104
00:48:31,540 --> 00:48:28,790
happen next and buying gold and silver

1105
00:48:32,140 --> 00:48:31,550
and all the rest of it but the the

1106
00:48:38,589 --> 00:48:32,150
Brookings

1107
00:48:41,290 --> 00:48:38,599
you know human religions could be

1108
00:48:42,820 --> 00:48:41,300
impacted suppose our visitors decide at

1109
00:48:45,099 --> 00:48:42,830
some point to share their knowledge of

1110
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:45,109
the universe with us and their concept

1111
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:47,510
of God it make it almost certainly

1112
00:48:51,940 --> 00:48:50,330
conflict with human beliefs or in my

1113
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:51,950
view it would almost certainly conflict

1114
00:48:56,590 --> 00:48:55,010
with human beliefs about the deity you

1115
00:48:59,320 --> 00:48:56,600
know whatever we conceived God to be

1116
00:49:01,480 --> 00:48:59,330
etc so there were all these potential

1117
00:49:04,990 --> 00:49:01,490
dire consequences that both of these

1118
00:49:07,090 --> 00:49:05,000
think tanks were laying out categorizing

1119
00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:07,100
for you know the Air Force and NASA

1120
00:49:12,490 --> 00:49:10,310
saying you know if this you know it does

1121
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:12,500
prove to be if UFOs proved to be

1122
00:49:16,180 --> 00:49:14,480
visitors from elsewhere you really want

1123
00:49:17,140 --> 00:49:16,190
to think twice about going public with

1124
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:17,150
it

1125
00:49:22,690 --> 00:49:19,760
Victor Marchetti I mentioned that my

1126
00:49:24,940 --> 00:49:22,700
website and more than one article Victor

1127
00:49:27,850 --> 00:49:24,950
Marchetti is a former high-level CIA

1128
00:49:30,250 --> 00:49:27,860
official he left the agency in the late

1129
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:30,260
60s because it was engaged in all sorts

1130
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:32,480
of illegal and immoral activities and

1131
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:35,330
wrote a best-seller an expose on the

1132
00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:38,240
agency called the CIA and cultural

1133
00:49:42,370 --> 00:49:40,910
intelligence the CIA took him all the

1134
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:42,380
way to the Supreme Court to try to

1135
00:49:49,540 --> 00:49:44,930
prevent that being published and in any

1136
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:49,550
case in May of 1979 Victor Marchetti

1137
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:51,920
wrote an article called how the CIA

1138
00:49:57,070 --> 00:49:55,040
views the UFO phenomenon it's available

1139
00:49:59,920 --> 00:49:57,080
online but it's very hard to get ahold

1140
00:50:02,080 --> 00:49:59,930
of but if any of your listeners can't

1141
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:02,090
find it they want to write my website

1142
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:05,330
I'll send them a link to it or send them

1143
00:50:11,580 --> 00:50:07,810
or document with this article maybe

1144
00:50:14,050 --> 00:50:11,590
maybe we should put a link to it on your

1145
00:50:16,510 --> 00:50:14,060
what we're going to write up about you

1146
00:50:18,430 --> 00:50:16,520
for the website so it's right there you

1147
00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:18,440
know being Robert and things you being

1148
00:50:23,770 --> 00:50:19,730
Robert Hastings yes

1149
00:50:26,350 --> 00:50:23,780
so in Robert Hastings Erma you can just

1150
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:26,360
send me the link and I will put it up as

1151
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:28,880
soon as the podcast is ready for

1152
00:50:33,460 --> 00:50:31,370
publication it will be up along with all

1153
00:50:35,620 --> 00:50:33,470
your information I'm sure that a lot of

1154
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:35,630
people will want to look at that and

1155
00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:38,960
there it is what I was going to say was

1156
00:50:45,100 --> 00:50:41,510
Victor Marchetti said that when he was

1157
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:45,110
at CIA there were a rumor he said that

1158
00:50:48,940 --> 00:50:47,450
UFOs were such a sensitive topic that

1159
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:48,950
you did not talk about it

1160
00:50:54,250 --> 00:50:51,200
unless you had you know some reason to

1161
00:50:56,260 --> 00:50:54,260
he said nevertheless humans being humans

1162
00:50:58,270 --> 00:50:56,270
there would be like water-cooler talk

1163
00:50:59,950 --> 00:50:58,280
there would be rumors swirling and he

1164
00:51:02,350 --> 00:50:59,960
said there were rumors about multiple

1165
00:51:05,230 --> 00:51:02,360
UFOs crashing wants some of which were

1166
00:51:07,540 --> 00:51:05,240
shot down by military aircraft he said

1167
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:07,550
there were rumors of CIA's about what he

1168
00:51:12,580 --> 00:51:10,250
called bodies of little green men on ice

1169
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:12,590
wright-patterson Air Force Base but then

1170
00:51:18,910 --> 00:51:14,960
he devotes most of this article saying

1171
00:51:21,130 --> 00:51:18,920
that if the CIA knows that UFOs are

1172
00:51:24,250 --> 00:51:21,140
visitors from elsewhere what they're

1173
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:24,260
probably advising every administration

1174
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:27,290
you know that comes into office is do

1175
00:51:31,210 --> 00:51:29,210
not talk about this do not go public

1176
00:51:33,790 --> 00:51:31,220
because the consequences are

1177
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:33,800
unpredictable Marchetti is saying you

1178
00:51:37,630 --> 00:51:35,510
know if you're in power if you're in

1179
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:37,640
charge of the government or part of the

1180
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:40,490
status quo the economic you know movers

1181
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:43,130
and shakers of any given country if you

1182
00:51:47,620 --> 00:51:45,530
know that aliens are here and your

1183
00:51:49,839 --> 00:51:47,630
public might respond not to well if they

1184
00:51:51,490 --> 00:51:49,849
were told the truth then you really

1185
00:51:52,990 --> 00:51:51,500
could your power base could be in

1186
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:53,000
jeopardy your control of your own

1187
00:51:57,370 --> 00:51:55,280
citizens could be in jeopardy and so

1188
00:51:59,980 --> 00:51:57,380
Marchetti was seen as an intelligence

1189
00:52:02,290 --> 00:51:59,990
analyst his view is that intelligence

1190
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:02,300
agencies in every country who's in on

1191
00:52:06,609 --> 00:52:04,730
the UFO secret are advising their

1192
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:06,619
governments never to go public with this

1193
00:52:09,339 --> 00:52:08,720
just to wait and wait and wait and see

1194
00:52:11,950 --> 00:52:09,349
what happens

1195
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:11,960
well what I don't have a dog in this

1196
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:15,440
race both do you do you believe or do

1197
00:52:22,660 --> 00:52:19,250
you have some evidence that these these

1198
00:52:24,660 --> 00:52:22,670
vehicles are actually extraterrestrial

1199
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:24,670
that they're not from a different

1200
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:29,930
different time or a different job I

1201
00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:32,240
think there may very well be a different

1202
00:52:37,660 --> 00:52:35,089
civilization on this planet as well it's

1203
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:37,670
been here for a long time and is

1204
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:40,490
protecting either itself by limiting

1205
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:40,880
nukes

1206
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:47,839
I refer I refer to these guys as quote

1207
00:52:53,230 --> 00:52:51,050
visitors from elsewhere and I think it

1208
00:52:55,890 --> 00:52:53,240
would be presumptuous for me to say

1209
00:52:58,329 --> 00:52:55,900
they're extraterrestrials they're

1210
00:53:00,460 --> 00:52:58,339
interdimensional beings they're time

1211
00:53:02,530 --> 00:53:00,470
travelers what I've actually told people

1212
00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:02,540
in many of these radio interviews over

1213
00:53:08,380 --> 00:53:04,910
the years is all of the above you know

1214
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:08,390
and our multiple choice of type DD is

1215
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:11,330
always all of the above and that's what

1216
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:13,210
I think is going on it's such a

1217
00:53:18,609 --> 00:53:15,890
fantastically large and complex universe

1218
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:18,619
why couldn't we have beings traveling

1219
00:53:22,750 --> 00:53:20,720
within space time which is our universe

1220
00:53:24,020 --> 00:53:22,760
from other worlds why couldn't we have

1221
00:53:27,020 --> 00:53:24,030
other dimension

1222
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,030
most physicists now say there are higher

1223
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:29,280
dimensions of space other than our

1224
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:30,300
universe

1225
00:53:35,150 --> 00:53:32,850
why couldn't some of these beans if not

1226
00:53:37,850 --> 00:53:35,160
from some other dimension at least

1227
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:37,860
utilize that dimension to travel from

1228
00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:41,040
their world to ours but some of them you

1229
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:43,110
know if humans do have a future and

1230
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:45,810
evolve in the future why can't some of

1231
00:53:50,090 --> 00:53:48,090
these incidents involve humans from the

1232
00:53:52,940 --> 00:53:50,100
future coming back so I say all of the

1233
00:53:54,770 --> 00:53:52,950
above okay I think it's arrogant it's

1234
00:53:57,350 --> 00:53:54,780
arrogant for any of us that you know any

1235
00:53:59,630 --> 00:53:57,360
one of us to say that the data point to

1236
00:54:02,210 --> 00:53:59,640
one thing or another I think it's very

1237
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:02,220
complex and yet most people feel it

1238
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:04,650
obvious that if and when we go to Mars

1239
00:54:09,830 --> 00:54:06,960
which I think will be in the next decade

1240
00:54:13,010 --> 00:54:09,840
or two or three we will be UFOs to

1241
00:54:16,010 --> 00:54:13,020
Martians and everyone goes oh yeah

1242
00:54:18,260 --> 00:54:16,020
but no one thinks that UFOs are here I

1243
00:54:19,850 --> 00:54:18,270
mean just for us to do it it's ok but

1244
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:19,860
nobody can come here do it well I think

1245
00:54:26,300 --> 00:54:23,010
kind of a twist in that mindset more and

1246
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:26,310
more people have been enculturated to

1247
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:29,610
the idea that UFOs can be here because

1248
00:54:35,930 --> 00:54:32,730
of the media has enculturated them to

1249
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:35,940
that point one point to being that if

1250
00:54:39,890 --> 00:54:38,010
somebody's coming from the Pleiades

1251
00:54:42,620 --> 00:54:39,900
they're not coming using a chemical

1252
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:42,630
rocket they're coming by doing something

1253
00:54:48,940 --> 00:54:45,210
else which might be vote unquote in two

1254
00:54:52,010 --> 00:54:48,950
dimensional so certainly that between

1255
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:52,020
interdimensional and interstellar there

1256
00:54:57,890 --> 00:54:54,690
could be a clearly a cross going on

1257
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:57,900
there but I like you I do not know I do

1258
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:59,760
not pretend to know the answer if the

1259
00:55:04,580 --> 00:55:02,160
other thing too is that we got away a

1260
00:55:06,290 --> 00:55:04,590
long way away from those scare films or

1261
00:55:09,980 --> 00:55:06,300
the 50s you know when the saucer would

1262
00:55:11,690 --> 00:55:09,990
come down with the who who'd get up and

1263
00:55:14,030 --> 00:55:11,700
someone will get nabbed in the neck by

1264
00:55:16,430 --> 00:55:14,040
some creature I and those things sort of

1265
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:16,440
went the way of whatever I mean they're

1266
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:20,010
sort of funny now but you know I don't

1267
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:23,970
independence day and well what would I

1268
00:55:29,720 --> 00:55:28,050
tell more on my life your audiences what

1269
00:55:33,130 --> 00:55:29,730
would I tell my lecture audiences at

1270
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:33,140
colleges and universities is you know it

1271
00:55:37,340 --> 00:55:35,250
you have to consider all the

1272
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:37,350
possibilities you know if anyone in the

1273
00:55:39,710 --> 00:55:37,890
Pentagon

1274
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:39,720
or anyone in the Kremlin knows what's

1275
00:55:44,750 --> 00:55:41,490
going on I certainly don't know

1276
00:55:47,690 --> 00:55:44,760
so these incidents involving the nuclear

1277
00:55:50,090 --> 00:55:47,700
missile shutdowns is it some race or

1278
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:50,100
multiple races trying to warn us that

1279
00:55:54,110 --> 00:55:51,930
we're playing with fire you know they're

1280
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:54,120
slapping our hands in effect saying

1281
00:55:59,000 --> 00:55:56,370
think twice about using nukes is it that

1282
00:56:01,460 --> 00:55:59,010
or if they've been here for thousands of

1283
00:56:03,710 --> 00:56:01,470
years you do they have projects here do

1284
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:03,720
they have underground bases that would

1285
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:06,720
be impacted by human nuclear wars and

1286
00:56:10,460 --> 00:56:07,920
they don't want those types of

1287
00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:10,470
disruptions so in effect what they're

1288
00:56:15,110 --> 00:56:12,660
doing is in their own vested interest or

1289
00:56:16,910 --> 00:56:15,120
is it a combination of the two and then

1290
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:16,920
I tell my audience you know if we're

1291
00:56:20,930 --> 00:56:18,690
looking at all the options we really

1292
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:20,940
need to consider that one or more of

1293
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:23,010
these reasons might be hostile they

1294
00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:24,930
might need this world for some reason or

1295
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:27,510
have nefarious designs on humankind and

1296
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:30,210
we really can't rule out that they're

1297
00:56:34,820 --> 00:56:32,970
not shutting down the nukes because they

1298
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:34,830
want to inherit the earth and they don't

1299
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:36,960
want to have a radioactive wasteland so

1300
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:40,290
you know again I'm the person on the

1301
00:56:43,730 --> 00:56:42,090
planet you know it's just unbelievable

1302
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:43,740
for me to say this out loud because it

1303
00:56:48,050 --> 00:56:46,110
sounds ridiculous but of all the human

1304
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:48,060
race I'm the only fool that really

1305
00:56:52,850 --> 00:56:49,920
devoted his life to study in all of this

1306
00:56:56,510 --> 00:56:52,860
in great detail the detail involving the

1307
00:56:59,180 --> 00:56:56,520
nuclear weapons case and so I think as

1308
00:57:02,180 --> 00:56:59,190
the primary researcher of this now very

1309
00:57:05,390 --> 00:57:02,190
well-documented phenomenon one only has

1310
00:57:08,660 --> 00:57:05,400
to go to my website document page UFO

1311
00:57:11,540 --> 00:57:08,670
Hastings comm slash documents and read

1312
00:57:13,580 --> 00:57:11,550
all the documents that are there to know

1313
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:13,590
that this is real and ongoing and I

1314
00:57:19,310 --> 00:57:16,710
myself cannot say you know what this all

1315
00:57:22,250 --> 00:57:19,320
represents it's it's clearly going on

1316
00:57:24,830 --> 00:57:22,260
but the motivation behind it the endgame

1317
00:57:28,430 --> 00:57:24,840
and so on I really think no one really

1318
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:28,440
knows well we don't think that you are a

1319
00:57:33,410 --> 00:57:31,290
fool that's for sure Kate and I have a

1320
00:57:35,540 --> 00:57:33,420
very high regard for you and we're very

1321
00:57:39,650 --> 00:57:35,550
appreciative for all the work you've put

1322
00:57:42,170 --> 00:57:39,660
in we're almost out of time here but if

1323
00:57:45,260 --> 00:57:42,180
you mentioned a little bit about your

1324
00:57:48,260 --> 00:57:45,270
ongoing projects is there anything else

1325
00:57:51,650 --> 00:57:48,270
you'd like to say about that about what

1326
00:57:54,020 --> 00:57:51,660
you're doing out there now I

1327
00:57:56,569 --> 00:57:54,030
actively seeking new sources so any of

1328
00:58:00,140 --> 00:57:56,579
your listeners who are ex-military and

1329
00:58:02,089 --> 00:58:00,150
have knowledge of an incident you know I

1330
00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:02,099
would very much like to talk to you my

1331
00:58:07,460 --> 00:58:05,369
contact information is at my website no

1332
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:07,470
one as I said earlier no one who's

1333
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:10,410
contacted me over 40 years has had any

1334
00:58:15,470 --> 00:58:13,200
problems with being harassed so don't

1335
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,480
worry about that if you want to tell me

1336
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:17,280
something and keep it having me keep it

1337
00:58:22,370 --> 00:58:20,640
confidential I'll do that I'll honor

1338
00:58:24,620 --> 00:58:22,380
your request but I would certainly

1339
00:58:26,420 --> 00:58:24,630
prefer to publish what you've said to

1340
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:26,430
add to the database so the public knows

1341
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:29,970
that this is widespread and ongoing so I

1342
00:58:34,700 --> 00:58:32,010
would encourage people to do that also

1343
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:34,710
you know if you want to support my

1344
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:37,200
efforts by buying my book or watching my

1345
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:39,119
film at Vimeo that would certainly be

1346
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:42,480
appreciated UFO researchers are not the

1347
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:44,970
richest people in the world and you know

1348
00:58:49,250 --> 00:58:46,650
I have bills to pay like everyone else

1349
00:58:51,260 --> 00:58:49,260
so if you wanted if you think what I'm

1350
00:58:53,210 --> 00:58:51,270
doing is worthwhile and deserves support

1351
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:53,220
and perhaps he'll you'll help you out by

1352
00:58:59,269 --> 00:58:56,160
either buying the film or the book and

1353
00:59:01,370 --> 00:58:59,279
the name of the book in the film person

1354
00:59:04,130 --> 00:59:01,380
out of protest you want me I'll say it

1355
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:04,140
okay at least yeah I chime alright good

1356
00:59:10,609 --> 00:59:07,920
mr. hasting some mud UFOs and nukes the

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secret link revealed his new documentary

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film and UFOs and nukes extraordinary

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encounters at nuclear weapons sites is

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the name of Robert Hastings book and I

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just want to say that we are in complete

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support of you when we encourage you to

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continue for as long as you are able and

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you look still quite able-bodied also

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you know not good but a lot of people

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are just starting you know for myself

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and Ferruccio I guess we've been hacking

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around with you Robert for a long time

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in the UFO field and sometimes it gets

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to be a little bit old hat but there are

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people that are just starting and just

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really now getting interested in it and

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so I would highly recommend your book to

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those people as opposed to some of the

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more sensationalist for don't thank you

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yes there's too many CGI things out

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there on the end

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Genet better than everyone in your field

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I get I get very angry and certainly

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frustrated about the amount of noise

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that one has to deal with on the

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Internet to get to the signal you know

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the whole purpose of what I'm doing is

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to separate the signal from the noise

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you know there is valid UFO data this is

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real this is not anything that man-made

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and if you know where to look you can be

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convinced of that by what's come out of

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government files and these military

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witnesses testimony but there's just so

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much crap out there that that people

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really get frustrated waiting to it I

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should quickly mention that my book is

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sold exclusively at my website UFO

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Hastings comm scalpers buy it for twenty

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01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:53,490
four ninety five and then resell it on

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01:00:58,610 --> 01:00:56,250
Amazon for a hundred bucks sometimes so

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don't fall into that trap it's directly

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available for my website well thank you

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so very much

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and as we conclude this of this podcast

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we want to thank you can't mr. Hastings

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Robert Hastings deeply for being on the

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show and Kate yeah oh listen I've been a

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fan of yours for a long time and I'm

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really glad to be at that conference

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just a really quick note were you there

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when Mike Gravel he was the retired

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01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:29,760
senator from Alaska slipped and sort of

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01:01:36,110 --> 01:01:32,970
a snide aside said to somebody of course

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we have a space force and that always

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stuck with me I said what did he just

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say so I I so cool look into that know

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you're going to give him a job Kate I

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don't know I think a big job as it is I

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wasn't there I never heard anyone say

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that yeah so I don't like I prefer not

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to chime in I prefer not to offer

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opinions about things that I don't know

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01:02:04,070 --> 01:02:01,430
anything about so I'll report that now

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01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:04,080
it is an interesting thing as well as

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that hacker from England that that

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fellow who what hacked in is here in the

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Canon yeah yes that is that is a very

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01:02:17,060 --> 01:02:15,210
interesting situation but we are not

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going to go into that now no what we're

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going to say now before we say

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goodbye is that our next show is with an

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01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:25,470
author who has spoken to a lot of

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01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:29,970
quantum physicists on her radio show and

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01:02:37,849 --> 01:02:34,559
the author is Eva her and she is going

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01:02:41,029 --> 01:02:37,859
to talk to us about her conversations

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01:02:43,819 --> 01:02:41,039
with remarkable men and women and that

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01:02:48,049 --> 01:02:43,829
will be our next podcast

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God willing we're all here and also that

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01:02:55,039 --> 01:02:52,140
our ongoing contest is still ongoing for

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at least the next two weeks until the

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01:03:01,609 --> 01:02:58,260
beginning of October for winning the

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01:03:05,089 --> 01:03:01,619
three set book from Lisette Larkins so

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01:03:08,660 --> 01:03:05,099
make a make a comment on shattered

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01:03:11,690 --> 01:03:08,670
reality podcast.com or shattered reality

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01:03:14,839 --> 01:03:11,700
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01:03:18,049 --> 01:03:14,849
our mirror site and make the comment on

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01:03:21,230 --> 01:03:18,059
the Lisette Larkins show because only

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01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:21,240
comments on the Lisette Larkins show

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01:03:30,140 --> 01:03:26,089
will be accepted for inclusion in this

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01:03:32,210 --> 01:03:30,150
podcast but let's not forget about the

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01:03:33,950 --> 01:03:32,220
podcasts that we're doing right now and

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01:03:37,450 --> 01:03:33,960
finishing up okay that that's going to

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01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:37,460
be up in a couple days okay all righty

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01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:40,890
selfish added reality oh I guess it's

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goodbye okay from Oh gathered reality